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1996 Passat Heater Core Replacement

« on: November 23, 2011, 06:09:27 PM »
I thought it was bad enough that the heater core in my daughter's 97 Jimmy started leaking . . . I haven't even started on that (gott'a remove the dash first) and now I strongly suspect that the heater core in Passat is leaking.  Coolant has been going somewhere very slowly for a few months and I still haven't found a leak.  When I drove it to the meeting Monday night, I noticed the windows were fogged up a lot more than usual and the defroster didn't help much without the AC on to dry the air.  Now I'm smelling antifreeze anytime the heat is on.  Nothing under the dash is wet . . . but again, the coolant level drops VERY slowly.

Any ideas of what the problem might be besides the heater core?  If it is the heater core, how big of a job is it to change out?  It looks like the heater core is in the center of the dash up high . . . which probably translates into removing the dash.  :(

Stashed back in hidden collection of vehicles I've got a 79 VW Dasher with a blown head gasket, a 93 Mitsubishi Expo with a blown head gasket and now a 97 GMC Jimmy and most likely a 96 Passat with bad heater cores.  ASK ME WHY I LOVE AIR COOLED VWs!   8)

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Re: 1996 Passat Heater Core Replacement

« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2011, 10:37:10 PM »
To give you an idea of what has to be done, sit in the car, look left, look right, everything that you see between you and the back side of the windshield has to come out.  And then there's stuff that you can't see.  It's gotta come out too.

The short answer is, it's a pain in the ass. On the other hand, having heat that works is a good thing.  Keep driving it and it'll start dumping coolant on the inside of the car so change it soon.  Also, get some foam tape, the stuff inside your heater box is now worthless and if you don't change it while everything is out it will slowly disintegrate and blow out of the vents until the end of time.

I can't remember if those had a 2 piece heater box or not but if yours does at least you can change the heater core out without having to empty the A/C system.

Oh, and while changing the heater core may not be the most fun thing in the world to do, when it works it's light years ahead of anything almost any aircooled car could dream of having.  And when the heater system fails on a water cooled car it won't fill the cabin with carbon monoxide and other nasty exhaust gasses.

P.S.  Go get a Bentley   ;)

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Re: 1996 Passat Heater Core Replacement

« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2011, 08:07:41 AM »
 :(  That's not what I wanted to hear . . . it's what I expected, but not what I wanted.  The foam has been blowing out the vents for a couple of years already.  I would pay someone to do this job but 1) I'm broke, 2) it would probably cost more than the car is worth.  The good news is the heater core its self it cheap!  ;D 

You are right about the superior heating systems . . . this thing puts out enough heat to warm up a dozen buses!  And I like smelling antifreeze much better than carbon monoxide.

Guess I need to stop whinning and start pulling the dash out of my daughter's Jimmy . . . and order a Bently and heater core for the Passat.  By the time I get them both back together, it'll probably be spring . . . and time for the AC to go out in them.   ;D

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Re: 1996 Passat Heater Core Replacement

« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2011, 09:30:11 AM »
It's a time-consuming job - there's a lot of screws to take out.  Going off the top of my head:  Disconnect the negative battery cable, remove the driver's airbag (2 5mm allen bolts), remove the steering wheel (24? mm nut), remove the wiper/turn signals, remove the radio (go to Pep Boys and get some Ford radio removal tools, they'll work on VW radios too). 

Remove the vents in the center stack and remove the screws.  Close the vents first and it'll keep the screws from dropping down into the A/C system.  Remove the screws for the control head but leave the control cables connected when you pull everything, less to put back together.  Remove the instrument cluster, a battery-powered screwdriver is really handy when taking out all the phillips head screws, they're a really fine thread pitch and about 20 mm long.

There's a hidden 10 mm nut on the outside behind the wiper motor so you may find it easier to remove the wiper linkage and motor to get to it.  There's also a couple of nuts on the A/C box behind the heat shield on the firewall but there's flaps cut into the heat shield so that you can access them.

There's really no "gotcha's", just take your time and I've found that when taking a dash out for the first time, copious notes and pictures help when getting to the "installation is the reverse of removal" phase  ;).  Be careful when putting all the screws back in, remember the plastic is probably pretty brittle by now so don't get too crazy when putting everything back together.

Obviously, the above instructions aren't complete but it'll give you an idea of what you have to look forward to  ;D

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Re: 1996 Passat Heater Core Replacement

« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2011, 09:35:56 AM »
Just to confirm my suspisions, about how much would this job cost at a reputable shop?

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Re: 1996 Passat Heater Core Replacement

« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2011, 10:16:16 AM »
I think most places quote around 8 hours labor x whatever their hourly rate is.  IIRC,  the dealer is up around 100 bucks an hour and I've no idea what the independent guys are charging these days.  Since there's a few of them on here perhaps they'll chime in and give you an idea.

BTW, the foam tape I always used on the heaters was part number 155-298-121.  It's about 6 bucks from busdepot.com and is more than enough to refoam your blend doors in the heater system.  However, be sure to clean the metal on the blend doors really well before applying or like any other style/brand of tape it won't stick for very long.  It's also good for fixing rattles just about anywhere in the car.

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Re: 1996 Passat Heater Core Replacement

« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2011, 10:35:16 AM »
That's about what I thought . . . actualy, I wouldn't have been too shocked to hear it's a 10 or 12 hour job.  About 8 hours for a good mechanic = about 8 days for me, but I have a lot more time than money these days.  Not to metion, I would hate to spend $800 reparing a $1000 car.  ;)  My plant is going to be shut down 2 weeks for Christmas . . . hopefully that'll give me enough time to tear it apart and get it back together.

Thanks a bunch for the info!  :vw:

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Re: 1996 Passat Heater Core Replacement

« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2011, 12:03:02 PM »
hal is right about 8 hours,  no one likes to do them, you can alway bypass the heater core and have no heat

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Re: 1996 Passat Heater Core Replacement

« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2011, 10:03:32 AM »
hal is right about 8 hours,  no one likes to do them, you can alway bypass the heater core and have no heat

Having no heat kind'a defeats the purpose of a water-cooled engine doesn't it?   ;D

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Re: 1996 Passat Heater Core Replacement

« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2011, 11:57:17 AM »
hal is right about 8 hours,  no one likes to do them, you can alway bypass the heater core and have no heat

Having no heat kind'a defeats the purpose of a water-cooled engine doesn't it?   ;D
I wouldn't say that was a reason. I remember back in the '40's and some '50's cars that a heater was  optional. My Dad bought a new '46 Chevy and had a Southwind gas heater installed. He thought the $15.00 for the optional water heater cost to much for the amount of heat you got. Times sure have changed huh  ;D

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Re: 1996 Passat Heater Core Replacement

« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2011, 08:15:39 AM »
hal is right about 8 hours,  no one likes to do them, you can alway bypass the heater core and have no heat

Having no heat kind'a defeats the purpose of a water-cooled engine doesn't it?   ;D
I wouldn't say that was a reason. I remember back in the '40's and some '50's cars that a heater was  optional. My Dad bought a new '46 Chevy and had a Southwind gas heater installed. He thought the $15.00 for the optional water heater cost to much for the amount of heat you got. Times sure have changed huh  ;D


When I translated the option codes for my Plymouth on the dealer order code sheet, one of the ones listed was #154... defined as "Heater... Hot Water with Defroster".

Times have changed indeed....  ;D

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Re: 1996 Passat Heater Core Replacement

« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2011, 11:28:45 AM »
Mine needs to be done as well.  I'll break down and take it to Rick after Christmas when I'm tired of shoving the whole lot of me while wearing a whole lot of Carhart into the cab of my cabrio. 

And Zen, I'm WAY past putting the appropriate amount of money into my car.  At this point, what's another $800 between a VW owner and their baby?  Right?  Guys?  Is this this on?   ;D

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Re: 1996 Passat Heater Core Replacement

« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2011, 11:03:48 AM »
And Zen, I'm WAY past putting the appropriate amount of money into my car.  At this point, what's another $800 between a VW owner and their baby?  Right?  Guys?  Is this this on?   ;D

Yeah, but you have a Cabrio . . . I'm talking a 96 Passat . . . when it's in tip-top shape, it's still a Passat.  I mean, it's a nice car and all, but it just doesn't have a lot of "cool factor" . . . well, right now it does, but I just got a box with the new heater core in it, so hopefully the "cool factor" will soon turn into a "warm factor."   ;D

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Re: 1996 Passat Heater Core Replacement

« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2011, 02:46:40 PM »
I'm right there with you kiddies....

The heater tube for the bus is sitting in the corner by the back door at the shop...

It's pretty darned cold in that little guy right now...  :-[

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Re: 1996 Passat Heater Core Replacement

« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2011, 07:39:00 PM »
I finally started this project this afternoon.  I'm taking it slow, partly because, well, I am slow, and mainly because I don't really know what I'm doing and I don't want to screw anything up that isn't already broken.  I got both air bags out without setting them off!  I had never removed an air bag before . . . that was worrying me.  Rick gave me a couple of quick pointers that saved the day there!  (Thanks Rick!!!)

I'm working outside, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed for decent weather.  Hopefully, I'll finish the disassembly tomorrow and start putting it all back together.  So far it hasn't been "hard" . . . there's just a ton of stuff to take apart.

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