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Offline 71SuperBee

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Help with Slow Starter

« Reply #45 on: May 02, 2005, 09:17:40 AM »
SC,

   Aren't you scared of blowing yourself up..Boy that frank seems to be a smart person now..lol...  poor ol frank caught on  i guess..



aaron

Offline Smelly_Cat

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« Reply #46 on: May 02, 2005, 06:07:42 PM »
Hey trusty Bug people
I am thinking that maybe I need to gap the points.
but I don't have a feeler gauge.  
Do I use a nickle, dime or a penny?
S/C :oops:

Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #47 on: May 02, 2005, 06:30:27 PM »
For crying out loud !!!! Go buy a feeler gauge set. You need them to adjust valves also.  .016 on the points. Do you have a timing light ? If you set your points, You WILL have to set your timimg.  Are your points any good ?

Offline Smelly_Cat

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« Reply #48 on: May 02, 2005, 06:54:17 PM »
Bug tech,  I am trying to hustle a feeler gauge from a guy at work.  I think a dime is about the right size.  I have a feeler gauge but it rusted into a  solid chuck of metal and it will only gap things that are 1/2 inches thick.  I made a movie of me trying to start the car.  I am going to try to post it some where on the site    S/C

Offline Smelly_Cat

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« Reply #49 on: May 02, 2005, 07:02:54 PM »
Bug tech,  I sent a movie of the motor trying to start to your hotmail email . Does the starter  sound or seem bad? SC

Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #50 on: May 02, 2005, 08:07:51 PM »
Hey ! I couldn`t open the file.  May be me . Im on a new Mac and I still learning how operate this dude. Try putting it on the forum, but don`t ask me how to do it. Im a VW Tech not a computer dude

Offline Smelly_Cat

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« Reply #51 on: May 02, 2005, 08:54:58 PM »
Bugtech,  the forum wont let me save a wmf  windows media file. I guess they don't want movies in the forum.  i"ll try a avi file.  I know that will open

Offline Zen

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« Reply #52 on: May 02, 2005, 10:48:39 PM »
Hey SC . . . email me the video clip and I can post it in our gallery.  zenph AT comcast.net   8)

On the point gap . . . Go to Autozone (Bugtech, WAIT BEFORE YOU START BASHING ME  :wink: ) and buy some points.  Install them in the parking lot.  Make sure you put the little capsule of grease on the rubbing block.  Use one of the flaps from the box the points came in for a feeler guage.  It's about the perfect thickness.  Trust me.  Been there done that.  It works.   :whistle:

Now figure out where top dead center is on your pulley.  It's probably not the mark you think it is.  It may not even be marked.  Find it and mark it.  You gott'a know where top dead center is at.   :-k

Pull the coil wire off of your distributor cap . . . turn your ignition switch to on.  Start about 90 degrees Before Top Dead Center on the #1 cylinder.  With the end of the coil wire near a good ground, slowly turn the engine by hand.  See where it fires.  Adjust the position of the distributor until you have it firing at Top Dead Center on #1.  Turn the switch off before you fry the Autozone points.  Probably too late.  If they are blue near the end, go back in the store and buy another set and start over.  Your usually a little faster the second time.  Don't fry those.  They usually only have two sets in stock.

Now hook the coil wire back up.  Push your bug off.  Drive to someplace that sells Bosch stuff and buy some Bosch points . . . and a NEW Bosch starter.  If you have a generator, check to make sure you have a Bosch voltage regulator.  If you don't, go ahead and spring for a new solid state Bosch regulator while your there.  You can skip the regulator, but get ready to buy more starters . . . and generators . . . and coils . . . and batteries . . . and various other electrical components.  Once you have all of the Bosch electrical stuff you need, drive to someone's house who has a feeler gauge and a good timing light with an advance degree needle on the back.  Install all of the Bosch stuff.  That includes that brass bushing that came with the starter.  Set the point so they are opened .016" at the top of one of the distributor cam lobes.  Don't forget to grease the cam / rubbing block.  Hook up the timing light.  Start the car.

Starts better with a new Bosch starter doesn't it?

Make sure the spark advance is working.  As you rev the engine, the spark should advance.  At some point it should stop advancing and hold pretty steady.  If it's not advancing or if it's firing irratically, you've got distributor troubles.

Buy yourself a new 009 distributor.  If you have a 34 carb, you'll also need to buy one of those 34 to 30/31 adaptors and a new Brosol 30/31 Carb.  Tighten all the screws on the top of the new carb . . . and tighten the screws on the accellarator pump cover . . . and tighten the idle cut off solinoid.  It's a good carb and will usually bolt on and run right out the box with little or no tuning . . . but it's made in Brazil.  Best I can figure, they don't know how to tighten right hand threads in the southern hemisphere.  Bolt the adaptor to the carb and install the new carb.  OR . . . insted of the 009, buy a good vacuum and mechanicaly advanced distributor (new or used . . . as long it's good).  Now you keep running that 34 carb.  Bugtech says he can tune one and they are a good carb.  I've never had any luck with them.  But I'm cheap.  I usually buy an on-sale 009 for about 50 bucks rather than spend $100 on a good distributor.  I'm begining to think that by the time I've spent about $125 on the 30/31 and the adaptor, I might have been better off buing a good distributor.  I'm slow.  Someday I'll learn.  Someday . . . Probably not today.   :tard:

Adjust the distributor until the maximum advance is set at 32 degrees before top dead center.  That's where that little advance/retard needle comes in handy.  Get whoever you borrowed it from to show you how to use it.   :)

Now, since it's running so much better, you'll get a lot better gas mileage.  Save up the money you would have spent on gas . . . by the time you need to adjust the points again, you should have saved enough to buy yourself a new feeler guage set . . . and one of those neat timing lights.   8)

You could even buy one of those fancy electronic ignition modules and do away with the points.  Then you wouldn't have adjust the points and timing on a regular basis . . . but where's the fun in that.  You might as well drive a Honda if you don't want to mess with points.   :wink:

Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #53 on: May 02, 2005, 11:30:04 PM »
Whew !!!! Im glad you explained all of that, but I can`t belive you forgot to tell SC that if he buys a electronic Ing. unit to be sure to put a set of points, cond, and the little screw to put them in with in a baggy and toss them in the glove box so you can get home :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Offline Jason

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« Reply #54 on: May 03, 2005, 08:04:23 AM »
WOW!!!!!! :shock:  :shock:  :shock: Zen I don't no you had it in you. After 4 pages one would thank SC would have that thing restored. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #55 on: May 03, 2005, 08:29:59 AM »
Restored ??  Only if he "cypher" well. I think I will go back and sit under the water fall for awhile and play "Hide & Watch"  :roll:

Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #56 on: May 03, 2005, 08:58:59 AM »
Zen , You get to stand "Watch" for a while. Sort of like the Navy, 4 on,4 off. I have go do some "Ships work" 8)

Offline 71SuperBee

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« Reply #57 on: May 03, 2005, 09:44:22 AM »
david,


   The hamster did not relay the message on the phone. It is down.. lOL seems that my little wires in my head didn't connect till now... I didn't want to have to  call someone that late at night when i posted the message. So how is my engine comming??? I hope it is getting there. lol    :lol:     :D  


          aaron

Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #58 on: May 03, 2005, 09:57:10 AM »
Ah !! SC  A movie/sound is worth a thousand words. Two come to mind.
   NO COMPRESSION or very low compression on several clylinders.
   You need to check compression.  You need at least a 100 lbs just to run. 110-120 would be nice. CHECK valve clearance. .006 on all valves cold. Cross your fingers and hope its not to late (burned valves) I will make a bet you are going to find a bunch of tight valves.
    You might have loose heads. If you get it running and it sound like a shotgun going off when you "goose" her, You will have to re-torque the heads,readjust the valves. I THINK YOU SHOULD GET SOME HELP doing all of this. This very critical stuff and if you haven`t done any of it before, you could do some damage. KEEP THE STARTING FLUID AWAY. VWs don`t need this kind of abuse to get them going.
  BOTTOM LINE--- GET SOME HELP AND STAND AWAY FROM THE CAR !!

Offline Ret.Bugtech

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« Reply #59 on: May 03, 2005, 10:16:27 AM »
BOY !!! This is a first for me . Engine trouble-shooting with a computer movie. This is a trip !! :thumbs-up:

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