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« Reply #120 on: May 25, 2005, 08:04:14 PM »
Quote from: "Smelly_Cat"
I have evidence that proves with out a doubt that The Smelly Cat Super Beetle is a 1970 model.  From the door jam,  using the latest in cripo-
ography,  a team of experts found.    11/70  with a bunch of numbers.  Born on date Nov 1970.  put that in your pipe and smoke it Baby.   S/C


If it was built in November of 1970 it was "built" in 1970 without a doubt . . . BUT . . . I'll put money on the FACT that IS NOT a 1970 Model!    I'll bet money that the third digit of the VIN is a 1 . . . and I'll also bet that it's a 10 digit VIN and the first digit is a 1 and the 4th digit is a 2.  It's a 71.  Question is now . . . is a Beetle or a Super Beetle?

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« Reply #121 on: May 26, 2005, 12:13:53 AM »
SC,

   1971 Was the first year of the super beetle. They didn't make a 1970 Model. I mean it may have been made in late 70's but it would be a 1971 I think. Correct me If I am wrong GODFATHER,
   HAHAHA

   AAron

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« Reply #122 on: May 26, 2005, 08:48:56 AM »
Dang It !!!    11-70 makes it a early `71.  What in the heck makes it so difficult to look at the VIN # on the tunnel under the back seat ?  If the 3rd # is a 1, Its a 1971 period.  If you can bend over without passing out, look under the front fenders and see if it has coil springs (struts). If it does, its a super beetle. If it doesn`t ,Its a Std.beetle. I don`t care what it says on the door, tail light lens or back sides of the hub caps, Its still a 1971 car If the 3rd # is a 1.  Zen is correct, Im correct and whats scary even Newby 71SB(Aaron) is correct.  GO LOOK !!  :roll:

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« Reply #123 on: May 26, 2005, 04:38:12 PM »
Why don`t you put a pic. of the front of the car on here along with the VIN # and we will tell you what you have.

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« Reply #124 on: May 26, 2005, 05:44:55 PM »
Crazy but I may have a collectors super beetle.
The vin is 1102288749
S/C

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« Reply #125 on: May 26, 2005, 05:55:46 PM »
:oops: That's a 1970 VIN for sure.  That's a picture of a Super Beetle for sure.  There are exceptions for every rule . . . I guess there had to be some proto-types . . . but if the sticker on the door post says November 1970, it should be a 71.  Someone could have used a 70 standard Beetle pan and welded a Super Beetle frame head on it and moved the body to the 70 pan . . . but that seems like a whole lot of trouble . . .

Whatever it is and however it got that way, legally it is a 1970.  And it is a Super Beetle.    :?

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« Reply #126 on: May 26, 2005, 06:05:03 PM »
:oops: I'm glad I didn't say HOW MUCH money I'd put on the "fact that it's a 1971!"    :lol:

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« Reply #127 on: May 26, 2005, 09:29:56 PM »
Hey ! No doubt its a 1970 pan.  Look under the front hood and see if there is a small data plate somewhere around the tire well. Get the numbers and we will  check this out. Maybe this car is not a export model.  This is worth checking out. :?:

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« Reply #128 on: May 27, 2005, 02:09:51 AM »
I still smell a rat here. I can see that its a S.B. and sitting on a`70 pan by the vin # .   My org. factory shop manuals says the model years ran from  August to July.  The 1970 model went into production in August 1969 with the vin # 110 2000 001 and ended with the vin#110 3100 000.
The 1971 model went into production in August of 1970 with the vin #
 111 2000 001 and ended with the vin# of 111 3200 000.
  Now then, You have a door that says 11/70. This door should have been on a 1971 car body since everything after August was called 1971. Now its sitting on a 1970 pan. Weird !!  My manual does not break the vin #s down by the month. I would love to know the month that your pan was made. :-k

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« Reply #129 on: May 28, 2005, 08:40:27 AM »
Zen/Bugtech
The rat you smell,   is not a rat,  it is a cat,  and it is me.
The 3rd number is a 1,  you guys are right.  Your always right.  Curses.. I'll be right someday,  I'm smart enough to be right . and I'll be back, just you wait,  someday,  someday soon,  you will be seek the  wisdom of the Smelly Cat.  SC

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« Reply #130 on: May 28, 2005, 11:10:53 AM »
Well Dad Gum !!!  Down deep I was kinda wishing you were right. The way VW plays around with numbers, styles of cars, Its fun to come up with a odd ball once in a while and try to figure out where it came from.
 No doubt you will come up with a Gem of wisdom one day that will make us all jump back and do the "Texas 2 Step". This is what the brother/sister hood of VW Nuts is all about. Press On !  :lol:  :lol:

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whats the best way to patch this floor?

« Reply #131 on: May 28, 2005, 04:33:07 PM »
Oh Wisemen of the Volk,
Enlosed is a pic of my floor ,  or lack there of.
Please keep in mind the next 2 statements:
1st - I don't have a welder
2nd  - I don't have any money for a replacement pan

What I do have is this:  one borrowed rivet gun and a piece of sheet metal.  I also have a can of naval jelly that I   (I is used as a code for  "my kids")  plan to spread around ,  then sand ,  then paint with rustoleom

What is the best way to place this?
Shall I cut a piece or maybe 2  and lay it INSIDE the car on top of the rust holes?
OR
Place the metal  UNDER the rust holes?
OR
I dont know , but you will tell me

When I was a younger, I would fiberglass the rust holes,  now that I'm older and wiser, I ain't going no where near fiberglass or resin,  if I can help it.  SC

Is there a standard floor pattern to copy from to cut with?

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« Reply #132 on: May 28, 2005, 06:18:42 PM »
Is the other side of the pan in the same shape as the pic ?   If so , glass it.  Fiberglass and old age have nothing in common but maybe a glass of fiber does.  If the other side looks like the bomb bay from a B-52 ,put some metal plate in there from the topside. You are on your own here. You can be creative here :lol:  :lol:

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« Reply #133 on: May 28, 2005, 06:51:42 PM »
They make patch pannels that will repair this area.  I've never used them, but they should be pretty easy to rivit in.  Lay the pannel in on top of the rusty floor, mark around the edge of it, then cut it out about an inch or so inside the line.  They make a special vice-grip-like tool to go around the edge of pannels and make a flange so the new pannel will lay in flush, but I would think that being what it is and where it is, it'll probably be ok just sitting on top of the old floor.  Clean up and paint the old pan, then put down a real good bead of seam sealer . . . set the new pannel in place and rivit the fool out of it.  It won't look pretty from underneath, but unless you're building it with the intent of winning trophies, who cares?  Plain old sheet metal will function just as well, but won't look and fit quite as good.  Fiberglass is super stuff for this kind of work . . . but it can get expensive if you need a lot of it.

If and when you get ready to fix it right, we have a club member that does excellent floor pan work.  I don't know what he charges to install a set of pans, but I'm sure it's as cheap as you'll find.

I've "fixed" floor pans with sheet metal (everthing from galvanized duct metal to old road signs to the sheet metal skin off an old water heater to old car tags) . . . I've "fixed" 'em with fiberglass . . . and a couple of times I've FIXED 'em with new pans.  But I don't have a welder either . . . so mine are pop-rivited in.  Like Ret.Bugtech said.  Be creative.  This is one place you can do it and get away with it.  As long as it keeps the what's outside from coming in, and keeps you from falling out the bottom of the car going down the road, it's fixed.  The rest is just cosmetic.   8)

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« Reply #134 on: May 28, 2005, 10:32:30 PM »
David,
   Installed the engine tonight. Ran great. Timing is perfect and the points are set at .16.. No rattling or nothing. I will readjust the valves come monday.. Only one problem. And I am sure that it is my fault and all but the passenger side valve cover , the seal wasn't seated good and she leaked some oil. No biggie because I am going to readjust the valves anyways. She is sooo quite and ran so peeeerrrrrrrrfect. I hope nothing happens to her. Take care.  SB

   aaron

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